Cellular Zeolite? - למנהל הפורום

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21/12/2006 | 10:01 | מאת: אבי

שלום ! אימי אובחנה בסרטן השחלה (דרגה 3). במהלך חיפושים באינטרנט של טיפולים משלימים, מצאתי המון התייחסויות לCellular Zeolite, (שמשווק לדוגמא בhttp://www.zeolitesupport.com/). רובן נראו לי קצת (מאוד) מוטות ובעלות מאפיינים מאוד מסחריים, אבל כמובן שזה עדיין לא פוסל את האפשרות שיש כאן משהו שיכול לעזור. הייתי מאוד מעוניין לשמוע את דעתך המקצועית בעניין - אני קצת סקפטי מאחר וע"פ היצרנים, מדובר כאן בערך בתרופה האולטימטיבית לכל מחלה שהיא - אבל לא הייתי רוצה לשלול רק בגלל שאני סקפטי. תודה מראש! אבי

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21/12/2006 | 11:45 | מאת: ZE LO

Zeolite for Cancer Zeolite is a mineral (actually a family of minerals), an aluminum silicate with curious physical properties that make it useful in water-softeners. It's used in cattle AND poultry feeds in the US. Eating the powder is an old Eastern European folk remedy. As "Cellular Zeolite" AND "Natural Cellular Defense", the mineral is presently (2006) being multi-level marketed in the US. There are discussion boards about what a great money-maker it is going to be. The claim is that the particles enter the blood AND are highly effective in destroying epithelial cancer cells because of the molecular structure of the crystals. The claim is obviously false. The group at the Ruder Baskovic biochemistry labs in Zagreb reviewed zeolites in medicine AND concluded that the stuff is almost insoluble at the pH ranges found in the human body. "Minimal amounts of free aluminum OR silicium from the ingested zeolites are resorbed from the gut." They conclude that if zeolite has any real effect on human health, it is by influencing the transit time of food through the gut, by altering the fecal flora, and/or by working on the lymphoid tissue of the gut. This in AND of itself may make a person feel better. The team warned that the stuff is a mutagen, AND might be a carcinogen like asbestos (Lijecnicki Vjesnik 122: 292, 2000). The same team did some animal studies AND there are two pilot-study publications (Anticancer Res. 23(2B): 1589, 2003 AND J. Mol. Med. 78: 708, 2001). The second publication focused on a single cell culture AND had no controls. It simply demonstrated that adding the absorbant from a water-softener to a flask with one line of cancer cells interferes with their growth. I hope no one finds this surprising. If the mineral had actually entered the bloodstream as microcrystals as the current marketers claim, it would have been the scientific marvel of the year AND would have resulted in a major publication. Back in 1999, zeolite was packaged in Croatia as "Megamin", AND the local scientists denounced it as a cynical scam (Arhiv Za Higijenu Rada i Toksikologiju 50: 67, 1999). What is most disturbing is a "Scientific Research Monograph" promoting the "Natural Cellular Defense", written by an marketer posing as a scientist. Visitors should know that as of 2006, R___ J.D___ still has no scientific journal publications, although he claims to do lifestyle education for physicians overseas AND have a teaching position at a Florida business school. The paper presents no original work, but reviews the work of other people on zeolites. Yes, they interact with other molecules, AND have some effects on cell membranes in tissue cultures. What R___ J. D____ fails to tell his readers is that there is not the slightest evidence that the stuff ever leaves the intestines OR gets anywhere near a tumor. A seventh-grader should be able to see through the bullsh_t. To avoid prosecution for quackery, at least for this, he makes no claim of a cancer cure. You can also find a patent document online, where Harvey Kaufman AND Lifelink Pharmaceuticals have patented zeolite as "a method of treating epithelial cell cancer" (US Patent 6,288,045). The evidence cited in support of the invention are some photos of mouth cancer cells in tissue culture evidently being injured by the powdered rock. The patent makes the claim that the substance "has a 100% kill rate within 72 hours against buccal mucosa AND ling [sic.] squamous epithelial cell cancers. It is not cytoxic [sic., the author means cytotoxic] to healthy human cells." However, the control cells in the photos are from an oak tree. The patent goes on to talk about detoxifying carcinogens, AND the claim rests on the obvious fallacy that removing the chemicals that caused the cancer will treat the cancer. (I wish this were true. You could cure lung cancer by stopping smoking.) There follows a frankly hilarious account of the marketer taking cheek scrapings, putting them in tissue culture medium, adding an unnamed carcinogen plus saccharin in an unidentified vehicle, AND believing that the morphologic changes mean he has transformed the cells to cancer cells. After he added zeolite, they ended up undergoing osmotic lysis; evidently zeolyte did not lyse normal buccal cheek cells. However, he does not describe what happened to his saccharinized cells if he did NOT add zeolite. This would not pass muster as a high school science project. The patent also includes an animal study involving a total of ten mice divided into three groups. The zeolite was actually injected into the animal's chests, at the identical sites into which the cancer cells had been introduced. It did not cure any cancer, which is a damning observation given the previous claims, but the cancers did grow slower, especially at the beginning. However, in the treatment group, the powdered rock was actually injected INTO the cancer. Since minerals introduced into the body's tissues attract macrophages AND cause inflammation, it is not surprising that this slowed down the tumor growth. The advertising is only semi-literate but makes grandiose claims to be taken purely on trust. For example, "Harvey Kaufman, researcher, scientist AND creator of the product, has just completed a study on End IV (sic.) cancer pateints. These are basically patients further treatment (sic.) He is in the process of writing up the results AND is hoping to have them published in The American Medical (sic.) Waiora cannot make any claims, it can provide coincidental anomalies. All 65 patients started NCD 15 months ago, their cancers given less than 6 weeks to live. As of today 51 are alive AND cancer free." Evidently they are responding far more dramatically than the mice did. It's no wonder that the ad provides no details that would allow independent confirmation, because the story is inconsistent with the realities of today's medical research. Without an animal model, no institutional review board would allow someone to do a real study of zeolite on human beings. Without IRB approval, the Journal of the American Medical Association won't touch a paper. Anybody smart enough to get a patent knows this. If the patent-holder merely gave his powder to people who presented themselves to him as having been told they were in the final stages of cancer (and there are no criteria for saying that death must be six weeks away -- another sign that somebody is lying), then he would not have been in a position to confirm the accuracy of the diagnoses. The manufacturer is now claiming to have perforomed a study at Duke University. There is of course no publication. An internet search (June 2006) shows that some students were given zeolite AND their urine tested for something. Nobody says what. An announcement of results was promised in March 2006. I'm unable to find it. Chances are this was an undergrad class project. I am not making any of this up. Since this is a multi-level marketing scheme, the person who sells you the zeolite is probably sincere, well-intentioned AND nice. I predict that the ringleaders will be prosecuted successfully. Anthony G. Payne -- alternative practitioner

21/12/2006 | 21:43 | מאת: רון

זו ביקורת מגמתית מרגיזה שיש בה רק דבר נכון אחד - עד לרגע זה - למרות שעבר הרבה זמן, לא פורסמו תוצאות של מחקרים בחומר זה, או אפילו עדויות אמינות של חולים שנירפאו. חוץ מזה, זה חומר לא רעיל, שיש בו ניסיון של עשרות שנים במערכות לטיהור מי שתייה מרעלים, והוא כניראה כן חודר לגוף ומבצע פעולת טיהור ממתכות כבדות ומזהמים.

22/12/2006 | 02:28 | מאת: Vincent Gammill

A friend who participates on this forum, Shlomo “Gubi” Guberman, asked me to respond to the post on zeolite as I do have more experience with this product than most. I first heard of zeolite vs cancer about ten years ago when I learned of a fellow in California who used the powdered form to effectively treat his non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. I don’t know the details. I was contacted by Harve Kaufman in 2002. Harve has a patent on the use of zeolite that has been digested with a mineral acid such sulfuric, AND then used for cancer therapy. Harve used zebra danio fish AND mice to do his research. He tried it orally on a few people with cancer AND he believed that he saw benefit. He wanted me to formulate an injectable version to see if that would work better than the oral version. This I did. We tried it at a Mexican cancer clinic AND it did seem useful. We did not do enough patients though to see clear patterns of benefit. I believed that it has pronounced biological activity, AND I did not hesitate to try it with late stage cancer patients, but I was quite concerned that there could also be unwanted biological effects. I knew that zeolite, like silica (a very similar inorganic compound) has powerful catalytic effects in the laboratory. Like the NCD product, fumed silica has an enormous surface area. Silica is occasionally used as an adjuvant in vaccines, but injected fumed silica can kill macrophages AND thus compromise proper immune function. I am currently advising a patient with lung carcinoid with mets to the liver AND three chambers of his heart. He used an MLM silica as a supplement for 12 years. I can’t rule out a causal relationship. For those who are currently using the NCD AND related products, I would say, yes, if it is crunch time, I would not hesitate to try zeolite. It is unjustifiably expensive AND I suspect that in the long term it can cause health problems, but when all the usual remedies fail you, what else are you to do? I do think that powdered zeolite is probably quite safe in the short run. It is a molecular sieve that is similar to the bentonite clay AND the kaolin clay that have a long history of safe use as a non-prescription remedy. Vincent Gammill, Director Center for the Study of Natural Oncology (a California-based 501C3 not-for-profit corporation) Contact information through Gubi

לאבי אני אישית לא השתמשתי בחומר זה לטיפול אצל חולים, אך אני עוקב מזה זמן מה אחר הפרסומים. לפי ההרכב והתכונות מדובר בחומר הפועל היטב לניקוי רעלים, בעיקר מתכות כבדות מהגוף. גם החברה עצמה בפרסומים אינה מיחסת לחומר יכולות אנטיסרטניות, אלא מניעת סרטן, אנטיאוקסידנט, תפיסה של ניטרוזואמינים במעיים (חומרים קרצינוגנים), הוצאת מתכות כבדות מהגוף , שיפור פעולת מערכת החיסון, פעולה אנטיוירלית, איזון מצב החומציות -בסיסיות בגוף ושיפור ספיגה של נוטריאנטים. כפי שכתבו כאן גם אחרים, אין כמעט מחקרים בנושא הזאוליט גם ברמה של מעבדה. אי לכך הייתי משתמש בחומר זה כחלק ממערכת הדהטוקסיפיקציה אך לא כחומר האנטי סרטני העיקרי בטיפול בחולה. ד"ר יוסף ברנר

22/12/2006 | 13:33 | מאת: אבי

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